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- TidBITS#220/04-Apr-94
- =====================
-
- This week's late breaking news comes in the form of yet another
- ugly virus (INIT-29-B). We also share comments about hard drive
- reliability, muse further on the state of mergers in the
- Macintosh world, and take a look at the perceived lack of women
- programmers in programming-based discussions online.
-
- This issue of TidBITS sponsored in part by:
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- Topics:
- MailBITS/04-Apr-94
- Hard Drive Reliability
- Yet Another New Virus
- Comments On Acquisitions
- Microsoft And Apple?
- Female Macintosh Programmers? Not Online
- Reviews/04-Apr-94
-
- [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-220.etx; 30K]
-
-
- MailBITS/04-Apr-94
- ------------------
- I'm extremely pleased to announce that Tonya has resigned from her
- position at Microsoft to devote more time to TidBITS and other
- projects, including books and Internet adventures. Perhaps the
- most obvious indication of her change in hats will be that from
- now on we will share some of the email that has swamped me
- recently (I receive upwards of 3,000 messages a month). And, of
- course, we're looking forward to the freedom to spend a little
- more time away from the Macs and the nets. So, if you send a note
- to me and Tonya replies, that's why. If you wish to send her mail
- directly, her address is <tonya@tidbits.com>. Oh, and for the
- cynics in the crowd, this is not an April Fools Day joke, although
- Tonya's first day away from Microsoft was April 1st. We especially
- liked the chronological importance of the combination of April
- Fools Day, Good Friday, and the weekend including both Easter and
- the Daylight Savings Time "spring forward" day (which Tonya has
- always hated with a passion, since she'd rather lose an hour in
- the middle of Monday afternoon than an hour in the middle of the
- weekend).
-
-
- **IBM and Motorola** have announced a 100 MHz version of the
- PowerPC 601 chip that is the current mainstay of the Power
- Macintosh line. The added speed over the existing 80 MHz chip will
- no doubt be welcome if Apple decides to use it, perhaps late this
- year, but we can't help but think that the announcement is merely
- the latest salvo in the "Mine is bigger than yours" marketing war
- between Motorola and Intel.
-
-
- **Rick Holzgrafe** <Rick_Holzgrafe@taligent.com> notes that we
- implied last issue that the Drag Manager's functionality (dragging
- text to the desktop to create a "scrap" file, for instance) will
- appear "automagically" in existing applications. It does not;
- applications must be re-written to take advantage of the Drag
- Manager. We also are flagellating ourselves for talking about the
- Drag Manager in the future tense, since it exists already and is
- supported by utilities such as Dayna's ProFiles. I can't wait for
- its functionality to appear in Internet applications including
- Fetch, Anarchie, TurboGopher, and Mosaic.
-
-
- **Paul Westbrook** <pwestbro@cs.oberlin.edu> and others tell us
- that Applied Engineering has gone out of business. It appears that
- a slow market for accelerators was the death knell for the
- fifteen-year-old company.
-
-
- **PC Pursuit** long distance services from Sprint were
- discontinued as of 01-Apr-94 (no April fooling). The services
- provided fixed rate charges on long-distance calls, offering a
- useful way to regularly dial long distance to online sources.
- According to the message from Sprint, fewer customers were using
- the service, and Sprint wants to focus on providing local dial-in
- access to online sources. I wonder if other carriers will step in
- and offer a similar service. Although large online sources often
- have local access numbers and an increasing number of Internet
- providers are popping up all over, people who don't live near a
- major town with access numbers or Internet providers will be
- around for a long time. Thanks to Jeff Fischer
- <71554.115@compuserve.com> for forwarding the information.
-
-
- Hard Drive Reliability
- ----------------------
- A number of people disagreed with my statement about all hard
- drives being approximately equal in reliability. I based that
- statement on my experience and on the fact that when I looked at
- the MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) ratings for modern drives,
- all stood between 150,000 hours and 500,000 hours - 17 to 57 years
- of non-stop service between failures. People who had problems with
- drives in the past have a point, since MTBFs used to be around
- 10,000 hours, or just over a year of non-stop service. If the
- drive is a file server, 10,000 hours is not enough, but if you
- power on the machine for just a few hours each week, 10,000 hours
- should last quite some time. I'd like to know exactly how a
- manufacturer determines MTBF ratings - I know of no empirical test
- that condenses 57 years of non-stop service into a few months.
- That's not even taking into account additional wear from being
- turned on and off repeatedly and other environmental stresses.
-
- A low MTBF could be balanced by a generous warranty period.
- Standard warranties range from ninety days to five years, and
- frankly, I'd recommend that you go for a longer one, at least two
- years. Five years is great, but if the drive dies in the fourth or
- fifth year, you may end up discarding it anyhow to buy a new one
- that's far larger or faster. Five years ago I used a home-
- assembled 30 MB Seagate 238R (5.25") hard drive in a case that
- sounded like an airplane and had room and power for four half-
- height drives. Now I use a 1.2 GB Quantum (3.5") that's far faster
- and more spacious. If I still had that 30 MB drive, I doubt I'd
- use it seriously even if its warranty was still good.
-
- As an additional warning, David Stodolsky <david@arch.ping.dk>
- writes:
- The exact same drive model obtained from different sources may be
- of substantially different reliability. When Quantum sells drives
- to Apple, Quantum knows that the drives must pass rigid
- requirements and will be tested by Apple and sent back if they
- fail (perhaps with hefty penalties and cancellation of the
- delivery contract). The same drive from La Cie, wholly owned by
- Quantum, may be one that did not meet Apple's standard! (I got
- four bad drives in row from La Cie.) Even worse, Quantum has
- released new models under the same model number. In some cases,
- manufacturers have been known to swap parts among drives not up to
- spec to get a drive that then passes (barely). Ehman was found to
- be shipping used drives as new. This is outright fraud, but it can
- happen, as I found out with one of my drives.
-
- Apple tests different drive models before approving models for its
- machines. Some aren't approved, and if you buy one of these drives
- you may have trouble, especially if you run A/UX or some high-end
- multi-media applications. Know your drive supplier and the specs
- on the mechanism if you want to avoid trouble. For the average
- user, a reliable supplier with good service in case a drive must
- be returned is of paramount importance.
-
-
- Yet Another New Virus
- ---------------------
- A variant of the INIT-29 virus was recently discovered, according
- to an announcement from Professor Gene Spafford at Purdue. The new
- virus strain, dubbed INIT-29-B, behaves similarly to the original
- INIT-29, which appeared in late 1988. It alters applications,
- system files, and documents, and may cause unexpected program
- failures or system crashes on any Macintosh, under all versions of
- the System. Both strains spread quickly and widely if not checked.
- John Norstad's announcement for Disinfectant 3.5 adds that there
- are only minor differences between this new B strain and the
- original strain, now referred to as INIT-29-A.
-
- INIT-29 viruses alter and infect almost every type of file,
- including documents, though infected document files don't spread
- the virus. Infected applications and system files can and will
- spread the virus; a file need not be opened in order to be
- infected.
-
- One likely sign of an INIT-29 infection (either strain) is that if
- you insert a locked floppy disk into the drive, your Mac reports
- that "The disk 'xxxxx' needs minor repairs" and offers to repair
- it.
-
- The latest existing versions of Gatekeeper (1.3), Rival, and
- VirusDetective (5.0.11) are already effective against this new
- strain. (In Rival's case, you need to have the INIT-29 vaccine
- installed.)
-
- John Norstad has released Disinfectant 3.5, an update to his free
- utility that provides scanning, repair, and protection
- capabilities. It's available on most online services and via
- anonymous FTP at:
-
- ftp://ftp.acns.nwu.edu/pub/disinfectant/disinfectant35.sea.hqx
-
- Updates for Central Point Anti-Virus and SAM (Symantec Anti-Virus
- for Macintosh) may be obtained from their respective publishers on
- popular online services and via anonymous FTP at:
-
- ftp://rascal.ics.utexas.edu/mac/virus/
-
- (This archive typically offers updates for most of the commercial
- utilities, as well as the latest versions of the free utilities.)
-
- Datawatch has released Virex 5.03, which will be sent
- automatically to all Virex Protection Service subscribers, and
- will be available to other registered owners. Datawatch has also
- provided the following code that users can add to their software
- to allow it to detect INIT-29-B:
-
- UDV Code for INIT29-B
- Guide Number = 15753664
- 1: 0302 3000 1276 0000 / 57
- 2: A9F0 303C A997 A146 / 9D
- 3: 2028 FFFC 8180 9090 / 4C
-
- Spaf's announcement also mentioned that version 1.3.1 of
- Gatekeeper, designed to handle the INIT-9403 virus announced last
- month, is still unfinished. Using the latest version of the
- Disinfectant protection INIT along with Gatekeeper 1.3 should
- provide satisfactory protection.
-
- Information from:
- Gene Spafford -- spaf@cs.purdue.edu
- John Norstad -- j-norstad@nwu.edu
-
-
- Comments On Acquisitions
- ------------------------
- Our articles on the recent corporate acquisitions and mergers
- generated numerous comments and a great deal of discussion.
-
- <BENSMANM@memstvx1.memst.edu> writes:
- I'm sure you will receive various messages commenting on your
- comments on monopoly in the computer arena and wishing for a model
- more like that of the entertainment (movie) business. Sorry to
- bust your balloon, but the movie industry is as consolidated and
- monopolistic as is the computer industry. The Reagan
- administration ignored the anti-trust laws and today studios own
- production, distribution, and increasing amounts of exhibition
- space. The independent cannot be truly independent as they must
- rely on the largest companies to get films out to the marketplace.
- Everything is in a mode of merger and consolidation with all the
- attendant difficulties, such as small, valuable projects falling
- between the cracks.
-
-
- **Alastair Sweeny** <aj503@freenet.carleton.ca> writes:
- I like your analogies for software productions, but I think what
- is really happening is that software will become more and more
- commoditized.
-
- We now see shareware that is the equal of the $500 programs a few
- years ago. For example, for photo work, I use the excellent
- Graphic Converter conversion program by Thorsten Lemke from
- Germany plus NCSA Image, both of which have all the features of an
- early Photoshop and more. [And for your FTPing pleasure... -Adam]
-
- ftp://sumex-aim.stanford.edu/info-mac/grf/util/graphic-converter-178.hqx
- ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mac/Image/
-
- My point is merely that there will soon be free and shareware
- produced by generous hackers that provide the average user all the
- features they ever need.
-
- Where will this commoditization of software leave Microsoft and
- Novell? Content. That is why they are moving into providing
- information [note Microsoft's multimedia titles like Encarta,
- Bookshelf, and Cinemania -Adam] and building global satellite
- networks that would seem to be out of their focus.
-
-
- **Dan Neuman** <D.Neuman@mailstop.telesat.ca> notes:
- I wanted to make a slight correction to your note about Teledesic
- in TidBITS #219_. According to a Reuters and New York Times
- report, Microsoft has specifically stated that they are not
- officially involved in this project. Bill Gates owns 30 percent of
- Teledesic, Craig McCaw owns 30 percent, and McCaw Cellular owns 28
- percent. Although the project is estimated at $9 billion, most of
- the funding will come from outside sources, not the owners.
-
-
- **Nicholas Sturm** <aa248@yfn.ysu.edu> writes:
- What worries me the most about the mergers of the biggies (and the
- swallowing of all the independents) is what I saw happen to the
- textbook publishing industry over the last decade or so. Companies
- that knew little of book publishing bought the decreasing number
- of publishing companies and soon we had a mass of almost-correct
- books. What was an error here and there? After all it was less
- that one percent incorrect. By modern business standards that was
- sensationally accurate - much better than the U.S.P.S.'s, "We get
- over 95 percent of the mail there in two days." But what happens
- to that remaining five percent?
-
- Where I once selected a book by looking for quality; I now select
- by reviewing the parts I feel I know best. Then I assume the
- errors in the parts where I need the author's help will be no
- worse than that where I can count the errors. Unfortunately - for
- my students - I can give them the "correction list" only for the
- parts where I'm confident of the best correction. They are left
- memorizing (and perhaps I'm left propagating) the mistakes in the
- other parts.
-
-
- **Pythaeus** writes about Borland:
- The rumor that I'm hearing is that Novell wants to buy Borland,
- but Borland's bookkeeping is so bad that Novell can't figure out
- what the company is worth. Supposedly Borland has been working
- with an accounting firm for close to a year to straighten out
- their books. My guess is that Novell, in its attempts to become
- Microsoft, will buy Borland as soon as feasible. These rumors come
- from a recent Novell conference.
-
-
- **David Lawrence** <oltdavid@aol.com> passed on the following
- comments (originally from his Online Tonight radio show) regarding
- the Aldus and Adobe merger. In relation to my comment about how
- many graphic designers I know use both FreeHand and Illustrator,
- David wrote:
-
- You couldn't be more on target. At a press conference following a
- CEO round-table at the Federal Office Systems Exposition here in
- Washington last week, I asked Dr. Warnock that very question: who
- wins here, Illustrator or Freehand? His response echoed your
- supposition; he said that the new company recognized that most
- serious illustrators use both products for different things, and
- that he foresaw no change in the lineup of either half of the new
- 1,200 pound gorilla.
-
- I also asked him if there would be any attempt to bring in and
- further develop third-party translation software (such as Altsys's
- X-Change) and he responded with definite plans of either
- purchasing those product lines and relabeling them under the new
- company's banner or developing a new product in house.
-
- As an aside, Michael Dell was also on the panel and spent most of
- his time pooh-poohing the importance of the PowerPC chip as used
- in the Power Macs. "With 93 percent of the market Intel based, why
- would we worry about what's happening with the other 7 percent?
- It's good for Apple as it extends the life of their line, which
- they sorely needed, but it's not a market for us."
-
- Much of the press conference was spent on the issues you brought
- up regarding mergers. Someone asked if the panel saw mergers as a
- continuing trend; most responded with the shake-out potential as
- being high. In fact, much was made of the fact that Ad Reitveld,
- CEO of WordPerfect, was not on the panel as billed. His press
- people noted "issues revolving around the Novell deal" as keeping
- him away.
-
-
- Microsoft And Apple?
- --------------------
- Those of you who read about the Apple/IBM alliance in detail no
- doubt remember that then-CEO John Sculley proposed that IBM buy
- Apple outright at one point. I'm sure such a move would have gone
- over badly in Cupertino, but the rumors I heard toward the end of
- last week put the IBM purchase to shame. Aldus merging with Adobe
- has nothing on this deal, and Novell's purchase of WordPerfect and
- Quattro Pro pales in comparison.
-
- It's quite simple. Can you say "Microsoft?" What better way for
- Mr. Bill to prove that Microsoft is 100 percent behind the
- Macintosh?
-
- Yes, that's right. Microsoft is seriously considering purchasing
- Apple, and although Apple is doing well enough financially, of all
- the companies in the industry, Microsoft alone has the resources
- to carry off the takeover. With cash reserves of several billion
- dollars and a strong stock position, Microsoft may have come up
- with an attractive enough offer to sway Apple's Board of
- Directors.
-
- Let me explain why such a deal makes a good deal of sense for
- Microsoft. As we all know, Microsoft is interested only in the
- bottom line, and what better way to ensure profits than to control
- not only the most popular applications that run on a platform, but
- also the hardware itself? Windows has made a great deal of money
- for Microsoft because Microsoft controls the game, so to speak.
- But Microsoft has seldom ventured into the cutthroat PC hardware
- market, and never at the CPU level. By acquiring Apple, Microsoft
- suddenly controls not only an operating environment, but a
- hardware platform that commands 15 percent of the market and that
- has the recently released Power Macs as a seductive new technology
- for businesses.
-
- Other benefits abound. Microsoft would pick up Claris in the
- process, which means that Microsoft Works can fade into the fossil
- record in favor of the snazzier ClarisWorks. Claris also has a
- number of programs like Claris Impact and the cross-platform
- FileMaker Pro that have no competition in the existing Microsoft
- lineup. As Lotus and Novell enter the software suite game,
- Microsoft stands poised to change the rules by creating multi-
- level, cross-platform software suites, all connected via OLE 2.0
- for true mix-and match compatibility. Should the deal go through,
- I'm sure the FTC will have a long look to ensure that Microsoft
- doesn't take advantage of its position as the maker of both
- Windows and the Macintosh environments.
-
- And remember, with Microsoft's emphasis on cross-platform tools,
- how much farther down the road can a core-code version of Chicago
- (the successor to Windows 3.1) be? With all of that research put
- into core-code development for Word and Excel, why not use that
- cross-platform technology at the operating system level? Such an
- operating system could leave behind the worst of the Windows
- limitations held over from a senile DOS, and improve in many of
- the areas where the Macintosh has always led, without fear of a
- lawsuit. And everyone wondered why Microsoft was happy to license
- the Windows source code to Insignia for SoftWindows - there won't
- be any competition from SoftWindows on the Macintosh once Chicago
- for Macintosh appears with the capability to run all Windows
- programs at native speeds on the Power Macs.
-
- What's in this for Apple? Well, money, of course, but there's
- something more - power, and the insanity that set Steve Jobs apart
- from the rest of the computer industry, an insanity that lives on
- at Apple. As hard as they try, and as cool as the Power Macs are,
- Apple's executives have realized that they will never gain more
- than perhaps a 20 percent share of the personal computer market.
- That hurts, and although some Macintosh fanatics will liken the
- sale of the company to selling one's soul to Lucifer, Apple sees
- it as its best chance to change the world, to mold the world as
- only Apple could do. An Apple/Microsoft juggernaut, combining
- Apple's creativity and desire to make a difference with
- Microsoft's marketing might and attention to the smallest of
- percentages would result in a company that could easily dominate
- the entire computer industry. I suspect that appeals to Michael
- Spindler.
-
- Finally, perhaps the best part about this entire deal, should it
- ever go through and slide by the anti-trust laws, is that it's
- complete and utter balderdash. Allow me to wish you all a belated
- April Fools Day.
-
-
- Female Macintosh Programmers? Not Online
- ----------------------------------------
- by Susan G. Lesch -- susanlesch@aol.com
-
- This article takes a look at the apparent paucity of female
- programmers participating in technical computing areas online. We
- know that women do program on the Macintosh, and some suggest that
- despite traditional role models and some arguable odds against the
- possibility for success, women always have numbered among the most
- brilliant computer analysts, designers, engineers, and authors.
- Even so, women rarely appear on the nets in technical computing
- areas. Such a statement is not only difficult to suggest without
- sounding sexist, but also nigh impossible to document. Still,
- let's see what we can find out.
-
-
- **Commercial Online Services** -- For discussion's sake, take the
- current figures of 1.5 million CompuServe members and 700,000
- America Online members. Programming support for developers centers
- around the Macintosh Developers Forums, the area of our interest.
- Personally speaking, I spent three years primarily answering
- questions in CompuServe's Macintosh Systems and Developers Forums.
- As my skills grew, I still looked with awe at my colleagues who
- could correct code and doctor arcane resources. For over four
- years, between 1989 and 1993, I logged the message boards, looking
- for female peers, and found they did not exist. Message summaries
- came back with evidence of 99 to 100 percent male first names. How
- wonderful it would have been to have found role models back then!
-
- David Ramsey, a programming sysop in CompuServe's Macintosh forums
- says, "Yeah, it's true: programming is still male-dominated... I
- don't think it's an issue of whether or not women are accepted in
- the field - all the ones I've talked to said they never felt
- intimidated or condescended to by their male colleagues - it's
- just a reflection of current gender roles in society, where men
- are expected to be more outgoing than women."
-
- Some may argue that an electronic address allowing only eight or
- ten characters to identify a person is not gender-specific.
- Perhaps it would help to point out that the Mac forums of
- CompuServe require real names and have the luxury of long name
- fields, which influenced my conclusion. Although
- "superworm@aol.com" could be either a male or a female, "Chris,"
- "Kelley," and "Bob and Pat" all turned out to be males in
- CompuServe's Mac Developers Forum when I checked. I must admit,
- though, that the means to make a truly empirical argument elude
- me.
-
- Brian Novack, Forum Assistant on America Online's Macintosh
- Developers Forum, was kind enough to explain the difficulties
- surrounding determination of gender. "There is no way to
- accurately gauge such a value. America Online does not ask members
- to provide proof of gender when issuing a new account and/or
- screen name. Therefore, unless you conducted a survey of every
- America Online member who enters the Macintosh Developers Forum by
- personally contacting them, there isn't any way to find the value
- you seek in terms of gender. Sorry, it just isn't valid." Maybe,
- maybe not.
-
-
- **Usenet Informal Survey** -- To get the big picture, I recently
- did an informal survey on Usenet, asking people the question, "In
- your own experience, how many females [sic] regularly answer
- programming and technical questions in this newsgroup?" I posted
- this question to comp.programmer and comp.sys.mac.programmer. I
- proposed a 1,000:1 male to female ratio as a starting point. This
- was quickly corrected by an observer who suggested that figures be
- limited to people of both sexes who regularly participate - by his
- count, perhaps fifty.
-
- Responses came from people at Apple's Developer Technical Support,
- Apple's Newton Team, Taligent, Claris, an ex-Microsoft employee,
- and companies and universities in the United States, United
- Kingdom, Italy, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium and
- Australia. One European discredited the survey outright, and
- another thinks 1,000:1 is close to correct. One pessimist
- suggested a ratio of 10,000:1. American male respondents said 40
- to 50:1 might be accurate. One American, of the four women who
- replied, seemed to think there were more women than the men did.
- Avi Rappoport and Jutta Degener were both mentioned, but most
- respondents could not or did not name a female programmer online.
- I think now, as was suggested by one respondent after poring over
- a day's posts to comp.sys.mac.programmer, that 150:1 might be
- close to accurate.
-
- To arrive at a ratio of _any_ number to one, we need at least one!
- And that one is rare indeed. Male after male respondent wrote
- saying Amanda Walker of InterCon is the only female participant in
- comp.sys.mac.programmer. Although this may be a minor
- exaggeration, for 1,000, or 100, or 50 answers by men, Amanda
- Walker is holding up the other end of the fraction. She was
- generous with her comments about the male to female ratio in
- comp.sys.mac.programmer, saying her postings are "almost
- overwhelmingly answers, not questions." Fortune Magazine (07-Mar-
- 94) interviewed Ms. Walker in a feature about the Internet. I
- would like to thank her for this clear and simple answer to my
- question above, "Well, there's me."
-
- "My guess would be that it's somewhere in the several hundred to
- one range, but I'm not sure where. Because of the social dynamics
- on the net, women are not often accepted in technical newsgroups
- unless they truly are at the top of their field. Even I myself,
- with my mind full of random trivia, exercise care to only post an
- answer when I'm dead sure it's right. Even so I'm occasionally
- wrong, but it serves to keep my baseline reputation pretty high."
-
- Walker continues, "An interesting comparison would be to take a
- look at, for example, the proportion of women at the Apple
- Worldwide Developer Conference. My experience is that there are
- actually quite a lot of women involved in Macintosh programming,
- but they tend to maintain a low profile, especially on the net."
-
-
- **Conclusions**
- Peter Lewis, author of Anarchie and other shareware for the
- Macintosh, said in response to my Usenet survey, "It's a sad state
- of affairs, maybe it'll change one day." With the advent of
- Women's WIRE, the Women's Information Resource and Exchange
- (TidBITS #212_), I think it time to point out a little joke we
- have picked up in all the talk about "building" an information
- superhighway. In large measure, these highways already exist. Both
- casual and habitual users know the ropes, and they are quickly
- passing along instructions to new members of online services
- during the fastest period of their growth in history.
-
- Why do we find such a lopsided situation? Answers tip-toe around
- sexism, with some suggesting that women avoid areas that allow
- flaming. It was also suggested that women do not like the
- intangible qualities of electronic text. But we know that neither
- theory holds, as there are thousands of women online in areas
- other than Macintosh programming. I was also surprised to find the
- notion that the under-representation of women in technical
- computing online arenas is thought somehow to be men's fault. I
- should hope there is no need for either sex to coddle women
- programmers into participating in online exchange on equal terms
- with men.
-
-
- Reviews/04-Apr-94
- -----------------
-
- * MacWEEK -- 28-Mar-94, Vol. 8, #13
- Farallon Replica 1.0 -- pg. 39
- Helios netOctopus 1.2 -- pg. 39
- usrEZ cypherPad 1.2.1 -- pg. 43
-
- * InfoWorld -- 28-Mar-94, Vol. 16, #13
- NetDistributor Pro -- pg. 96
-
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